Re: Magical Girl May Nominations

by Metazoxan Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:30 pm

Mafiacow wrote:When I was still undecided on who to nominate between Sakura and Zoey, I asked Red if Zoey qualified because she got her powers from science and not magic. I believe Red said something along the lines of "AP has it listed under Magical Girl, so it counts."
So pretty much, I think we can nominate magic users and science users who are in an anime classified as "Magical Girl".

You know Zoey's proper name is Ichigo Momomiya right? The cast of Tokyo Mew Mew was supposed to have fruit based names with her's being strawberry (I don't understand some dubbing companies and their need to change names. hard to pronounce ones I get but perfectly natural sounding ones should be left alone). But anyway while they claim science behind her power it really was a magical girl anime. I mean how the heck does animal DNA explain any of the powers they had? The science label in this case was just cheaply tacked on so that they wouldn't have to actually say magic. So her powers are only science based on technicality and the show itself is clearly classic magical girl type complete with a little furry mascot. ESP users like Riru and Misaka however are pure science and aren't even close to the magical girl category.

by Mafiacow Fri Apr 26, 2013 4:50 pm

Metazoxan wrote:
Mafiacow wrote:When I was still undecided on who to nominate between Sakura and Zoey, I asked Red if Zoey qualified because she got her powers from science and not magic. I believe Red said something along the lines of "AP has it listed under Magical Girl, so it counts."
So pretty much, I think we can nominate magic users and science users who are in an anime classified as "Magical Girl".

You know Zoey's proper name is Ichigo Momomiya right? The cast of Tokyo Mew Mew was supposed to have fruit based names with her's being strawberry (I don't understand some dubbing companies and their need to change names. hard to pronounce ones I get but perfectly natural sounding ones should be left alone). But anyway while they claim science behind her power it really was a magical girl anime. I mean how the heck does animal DNA explain any of the powers they had? The science label in this case was just cheaply tacked on so that they wouldn't have to actually say magic. So her powers are only science based on technicality and the show itself is clearly classic magical girl type complete with a little furry mascot. ESP users like Riru and Misaka however are pure science and aren't even close to the magical girl category.

Yes, I do know. I just prefer to say her dub's name cause that's what I'm rewatching now after remembering I saw it as a kid. (even though it's one of those super-dubbed ones)
And can't you just suspend your disbelief in it? I mean, they had a machine that analysed her entire genetic code in a few seconds without even touching her. You'd need to take a cell sample to do that IRL. And even then, it needs a while to process. Razz

by Metazoxan Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:11 pm

Mafiacow wrote:
Metazoxan wrote:
Mafiacow wrote:When I was still undecided on who to nominate between Sakura and Zoey, I asked Red if Zoey qualified because she got her powers from science and not magic. I believe Red said something along the lines of "AP has it listed under Magical Girl, so it counts."
So pretty much, I think we can nominate magic users and science users who are in an anime classified as "Magical Girl".

You know Zoey's proper name is Ichigo Momomiya right? The cast of Tokyo Mew Mew was supposed to have fruit based names with her's being strawberry (I don't understand some dubbing companies and their need to change names. hard to pronounce ones I get but perfectly natural sounding ones should be left alone). But anyway while they claim science behind her power it really was a magical girl anime. I mean how the heck does animal DNA explain any of the powers they had? The science label in this case was just cheaply tacked on so that they wouldn't have to actually say magic. So her powers are only science based on technicality and the show itself is clearly classic magical girl type complete with a little furry mascot. ESP users like Riru and Misaka however are pure science and aren't even close to the magical girl category.
And can't you just suspend your disbelief in it? I mean, they had a machine that analysed her entire genetic code in a few seconds without even touching her. You'd need to take a cell sample to do that IRL. And even then, it needs a while to process.

That much is valid science fiction but the rest if clearly just classic magical girl thinly veiled as something somehow related to science. It isn't ESP it isn't even really super powers they clearly follow a more magical formula than a science one. Not hating on the show just saying there is good reason that show has a magical girl tag despite them claiming their powers are somehow science based. It's more magical girl related than Sci-fi related.

by Mafiacow Fri Apr 26, 2013 5:33 pm

Okay, I see your point. Just wanted to show the sci-fi element Razz

by Natsuru-san Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:46 pm

I nominate...

Spoiler:

by Nyako~Mayushii Fri Apr 26, 2013 8:55 pm

I nominate Akemi Homura if she has not been nominated! She
Must.
Be.

by Natsuru-san Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:02 pm

She was already nominated Nyako. There's a list on page 5. Hope you can come up with one before they're all gone.

by sayWut Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:05 pm

Definition of MAGIC
1
a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces[/font]
b : magic rites or incantations
2
a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
3
: the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

" The term supernatural pertains to being above or beyond what is naturall, unexplainable by natural law or phenomena "

ESPER deffintion

An esper refers to an individual capable of telepathy and other similar paranormal abilities

Definition of paranormal
adjective

denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding:a mystic who can prove he has paranormal powers

" Paranormal phenomena are those supposedly due to powers of the mind that go beyond the normal"

THERE LINKED! Ill be damned if misaka Mikoto cant be nominated!

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I VOTE MISAKA

by Nyako~Mayushii Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:08 pm

I nominate Tachibana Kanade! XD Thankyuu Kiri chan for voting for Akemi~!

by **Ovyda** Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:08 pm

I approve Misaka! Very Happy

by Natsuru-san Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:08 pm

sayWut wrote:
Definition of MAGIC
1
a : the use of means (as charms or spells) believed to have supernatural power over natural forces[/font]
b : magic rites or incantations
2
a : an extraordinary power or influence seemingly from a supernatural source
b : something that seems to cast a spell : enchantment
3
: the art of producing illusions by sleight of hand

" The term supernatural pertains to being above or beyond what is naturall, unexplainable by natural law or phenomena "

ESPER deffintion

An esper refers to an individual capable of telepathy and other similar paranormal abilities

Definition of paranormal
adjective

denoting events or phenomena such as telekinesis or clairvoyance that are beyond the scope of normal scientific understanding:a mystic who can prove he has paranormal powers

" Paranormal phenomena are those supposedly due to powers of the mind that go beyond the normal"

THERE LINKED! Ill be damned if misaka Mikoto cant be nominated!

I VOTE MISAKA

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by **Sir Maddy** Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:13 pm

1. Aladdin - Magi - Karma
2. Homura Akemi - Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica - Hikikomori
3. Dark Magician Girl - Yu-Gi-Oh - Him
4. Flonne - Disgaea - Yuki Terumi
5. Fate Testarossa - Mahou Shoujo Lyrical Nanoha - Sir Maddy
6. Fai D. Flourite - Tsubasa Chronicle - Kusanagi
7. Rin Tohsaka - Fate/Stay Night - DemonEyesJoe
8. Sakura Kinomoto - Cardcaptor Sakura - Mafiacow
9. Madoka Kaname - Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magica - Deathfire123
10. Sailor Moon - Sailor Moon - Great_Oak
11. Eucliwood Hellscythe - Is This A Zombie? - Meta
12. Ayumu Aikawa - Is This A Zombie? - Red
13. Yuna Miyama - Maburaho - Shogun
14. Yuuko Ichihara - xxxHoLiC - Knight
15. Natsu Dragneel - Fairy Tail - Natsu
16. Elucia de Lute Ima - The World God Only Knows - Joshier
17. Index Librorum Prohibitorum - A Certain Magical Index - Noobs
18. Jellal Fernandes - Fairy Tail - Spor
19. Mirajane - Fairy Tail - Bato
20. C.C. - Code Geass - Ovyda
21. Riru - Needless - Nonononoki
22. Natsuru Senou - Kampfer - Natsuru-san
23. Mikoto Misaka - A Certain Magical Index/Scientific Railgun - sayWut
24. Kanade Tachibana - Angel Beats! - Nyako
25. Belldandy - Ah! My Goddess - BK
26.
27.
28.
29.
30.
31.
32.

by Mafiacow Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:15 pm

I knew exactly where you were going with that sayWut. XD
And I've also heard magic defined as "Science we don't yet understand" Wink

by **Sir Maddy** Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:21 pm

Still waiting for someone to nominate MC from SW.

by Metazoxan Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:22 pm

sayWut wrote:
Definition of MAGIC
Spoiler:
THERE LINKED! Ill be damned if misaka Mikoto cant be nominated!

I VOTE MISAKA

It is established in the series espers can't use magic. What Misaka uses isn't magic and that is a fact made by the series itself because the series also has people who really can use magic and a clear line between the two is made. Magic is included in super natural but not everything supernatural like ESP is part of magic. As an analogy how about how all American's are human but not all human's are American.

There is no reason to get so over excited about trying to force in Misaka. She isn't a magic user (In fact she is the exact opposite since trying to use magic could apparently kill her) so she shouldn't be in a competition for magic users. That doesn't make her a bad character just not a magic one. If there is an ESP round at some point or something then that competition would be much more fitting for her.

by Mafiacow Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:24 pm

Well I am going to argue for Misaka that "Magicians" and "Espers" just use different types of "Magic" Razz

by Valvatorez Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:27 pm

Meta, why dont you just drop it?
Red already said that it's mostly her decision on what is magic or not for this competition.
I understand what you are doing but I mean really, it has dragged on long enough.
I am sure there will be a skimming through the list to see who and what Red would identify as a candidate for the games.

Just tryin to help bro.

by sayWut Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:30 pm

It is established in the series espers can't use magic. What Misaka uses isn't magic and that is a fact made by the series itself because the series also has people who really can use magic and a clear line between the two is made. Magic is included in super natural but not everything supernatural like ESP is part of magic. As an analogy how about how all American's are human but not all human's are American.

There is no reason to get so over excited about trying to force in Misaka. She isn't a magic user (In fact she is the exact opposite since trying to use magic could apparently kill her) so she shouldn't be in a competition for magic users. That doesn't make her a bad character just not a magic one. If there is an ESP round at some point or something then that competition would be much more fitting for her.

Your confusing what is stated in that anime, I was stating about the general fact of what is supernatural and paranormal. It may be stated that esper are different from magical users in the anime HOWEVER im stating facts that are outside of that anime in a general sense....

Fact is supernatural and paranormal are linked all my sources were not related to that anime at all what so ever. Its bias to base anything soley on that anime!!!

by Natsuru-san Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:36 pm

I will back up both Meta and Wut here. Look I'm still watching Index S1 and haven't yet watched Railgun at all but if I recall right in Index S1 they said what you said Meta but at some point also said that ESPers copied magic users and created their own "type" of magic or something along those lines. Either way the fact remains in the anime Index that ESPers copied magic users therefore imo ESPers in the anime Index are a "type" of magic user. Sure not actual magic user since going by what's said in the anime there are differences but like Wut also said he showed other stuff not relating to the anime so that's my 2 cents here. I however will 2nd Red deciding who is a magic user.

by **Nim** Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:54 pm

Sir Maddy wrote:
3. Dark Magician Girl - Yu-Gi-Oh - Him

Him?

Oh you! sunny

by Metazoxan Fri Apr 26, 2013 9:54 pm

sayWut wrote:
Fact is supernatural and paranormal are linked all my sources were not related to that anime at all what so ever. Its bias to base anything soley on that anime!!!

But since she is from that anime she is subject the the rules established from that series. If the series says she isn't a magic user then she isn't. It would be baised to use that anime to argue characters from other series but if they are from the anime then it's fair. Since series tend to twist the nature of things like ESP and magic in their own plots.

Natsuru-san wrote:I will back up both Meta and Wut here. Look I'm still watching Index S1 and haven't yet watched Railgun at all but if I recall right in Index S1 they said what you said Meta but at some point also said that ESPers copied magic users and created their own "type" of magic or something along those lines. Either way the fact remains in the anime Index that ESPers copied magic users therefore imo ESPers in the anime Index are a "type" of magic user. Sure not actual magic user since going by what's said in the anime there are differences but like Wut also said he showed other stuff not relating to the anime so that's my 2 cents here. I however will 2nd Red deciding who is a magic user.

Did it really say that? I watched it not to long ago and all I remember is then mentioning over and over the line between magic and espers and how espers using magic would kill them. Besides Railgun's full title is "A certain scientific Railgun". Are you sure that wasn't just an Analogy Index was using to help the MC understand what magic was?

Valvatorez wrote:
Meta, why dont you just drop it?
Red already said that it's mostly her decision on what is magic or not for this competition.
I understand what you are doing but I mean really, it has dragged on long enough.
I am sure there will be a skimming through the list to see who and what Red would identify as a candidate for the games.

Just tryin to help bro.

*Sigh* fine. I just think it is stupid to nominate everyone and everything. This was originally just a magic girl competition and ended up including magican's and other such characters as well. Just because someone is your favorite character doesn't mean you should nominate them for every competition you possibly can. For example Eu isn't my favorite character ever but I think she is an interesting Magic user so I chose to nominate her. She seemed suited to be in this competition. So I don't see the need to force the criteria to become so broad (To the point of including just about anyone) just to get your favorite character nomianted.

But you're right that this is really starting to drag on so whatever. It's not like any of this really matters in the end I guess. Kinda surprised Spor isn't here. He was the one laying down the law saying "Girls can't be nominated for Garch" and "Creatures like that can't be nominated for anime month" for the last two competitions. Yet he seems to have noting to say about Science based power users being nominated for magical girl month? That seems a little odd.

Nim wrote:
Sir Maddy wrote:
3. Dark Magician Girl - Yu-Gi-Oh - Him

Him?

Oh you!

I didn't know Him was a YuGiOh fan!
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by DemonEyesJoe Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:06 pm

i think there should be a limit to 1 or 2 from a series, becasue honestly, i think fairy tale is NOTHING BUT "magical" people, hell, i bet some of these FT obsessed people could find 32 people to nominate from that show alone, this goes for madoka as well. and it kind of ruins the competition when it all going to end up as a fairy tale or madoka gang bang in the semi/finals

hell, lets not get started with negima

by **Nim** Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:09 pm

DemonEyesJoe wrote:i think there should be a limit to 1 or 2 from a series, becasue honestly, i think fairy tale is NOTHING BUT "magical" people, hell, i bet some of these FT obsessed people could find 32 people to nominate from that show alone, this goes for madoka as well. and it kind of ruins the competition when it all going to end up as a fairy tale or madoka gang bang in the semi/finals

hell, lets get started with negima

Good idea.....*waits for Negima nominations which are, quite frankly, required*

by Natsuru-san Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:09 pm

@Meta: It could of been an Analogy that Index or another character was using to help the MC understand what magic was but I'm not sure. This was like a week ago and I just remember that the character was telling him about how ESPers came to be and so on.

@All: Maddy probably just mistook Dark Magician Girl for the Dark Magician so cut her some slack.

by **Ovyda** Fri Apr 26, 2013 10:11 pm

Nim wrote:
Sir Maddy wrote:
3. Dark Magician Girl - Yu-Gi-Oh - Him

Him?

Oh you!

I'll put her as a champion into my brackets. One of my favorite characters as I was a kid + Dark Magician Very Happy

Great combo!

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