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Post by sayWut Sun Apr 14, 2013 2:00 pm

April 8, 2013, London
Margaret Thatcher, Died


" Margaret Hilda Thatcher, Baroness Thatcher, LG OM PC FRS was a British politician who was the Prime Minister of the United Kingdom from 1979 to 1990 and the Leader of the Conservative Party from 1975 to 1990 "

So as I mind my own business I hear more and more on the news and adverts about this woman.

Before I say more lets state some actual facts.

Most brits actually hate her. Why?


She was a manipulative old woman who destroyed community's and unions she was relentless in her campaign and bought misery for our country.

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So what does the rest of the JDR members think. Note this is an open Discussion to everyone ^^

* the information contained in this post isn't personal and bias information This is factual information from multiple reliable sources.
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Post by Paper Tiger Sun Apr 14, 2013 5:39 pm

Well this JDR member has never spent any considerable time in Britain, so I can't really have an authoritative opinion on the matter. Still I do remember my old CO mentioning a few times that it was the economic situation your sources describe that influenced his family into falling apart and subsequently lead him to becoming a contractor back in the 80s. So suppose without the Iron Lady's actions his life wouldn't have turned out the way it did, which in turn would have likely meant a different CO for my company some 20 years later, and possibly a different outcome of our work.

Ironically I don't recall most articles on her death that I saw on the mainstream "media" websites (AOL, Yahoo, etc.) mentioning the negative sides of her political activities. It was mostly "she did this and this and that great and it helped Britain get to where it is today", without getting too much in depth about the cost at which said progress (if one can call it that, I have no first hand experience so I cannot judge) came.
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Post by BK-201 Mon Apr 15, 2013 6:28 am

Paper Tiger wrote:
Ironically I don't recall most articles on her death that I saw on the mainstream "media" websites (AOL, Yahoo, etc.) mentioning the negative sides of her political activities. It was mostly "she did this and this and that great and it helped Britain get to where it is today", without getting too much in depth about the cost at which said progress (if one can call it that, I have no first hand experience so I cannot judge) came.

That is because Britain is currently under the control of a Conservative government and they wish to control the media of this matter.

What really annoys me is that the British public are being told that the country doesn't have enough money and that cutting back on public spending is the only way to save the country. Thus, the government are making significant changes to healthcare and welfare benefits which actually hurts the most vulnerable people (poor and disabled) saying they are doing it for the taxpayer yet they are spending £10 Million of taxpayer's money on a funeral for a woman that the majority of people hate. Now they are saying "we can afford it".

We all know the politicians are rich and still expenses for their second homes from the taxpayer, so they should pay for the funeral out of their own pockets!
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Post by Paper Tiger Tue Apr 16, 2013 2:14 am

I think it has to do with upholding an image. She was, after all, your Commander in Chief who won the Falklands war, which is considered by many the last significant armed conflict between powerful nations. So from political standpoint she is the person who brought Britain its last significant military victory. Which is not to say that current British military is weak, it simply hasn't been engaged in another major two-sided conflict since then (that I know of at least). So in a sense presenting the Iron Lady with an elaborate funeral is a way of showing the world that people who defend Britain's honor are never forgotten even long after they have stepped down. Kinda as if she was some kind of a national hero (which I'm some also view her as). But you get the point I'm trying to make.
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Post by steveyk Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:14 am

Totally agree, the only people celebrating this fool are the political establishment who really don't understand their people at all. And let's not forget how she made sure that Argentina went to war with us so she beat the drums of war in an attempt to win another election. How many people had to die for her ambitions. Probably not as much as Blair's but either way she was a complete stooge to the establishment.

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Post by steveyk Tue Apr 16, 2013 4:20 am

Paper Tiger wrote:I think it has to do with upholding an image. She was, after all, your Commander in Chief who won the Falklands war, which is considered by many the last significant armed conflict between powerful nations. So from political standpoint she is the person who brought Britain its last significant military victory. Which is not to say that current British military is weak, it simply hasn't been engaged in another major two-sided conflict since then (that I know of at least). So in a sense presenting the Iron Lady with an elaborate funeral is a way of showing the world that people who defend Britain's honour are never forgotten even long after they have stepped down. Kinda as if she was some kind of a national hero (which I'm some also view her as). But you get the point I'm trying to make.

Did you know that the Conservatives have spent more money that the last 3 government combined? I think they know an inevitable collapse is coming so they are spending like mad because it doesn't matter. This is also evident when you look at other commonwealth countries like Australia who are also spending money like it's going out of fashion.

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Post by Paper Tiger Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:31 am

steveyk wrote:Totally agree, the only people celebrating this fool are the political establishment who really don't understand their people at all. And let's not forget how she made sure that Argentina went to war with us so she beat the drums of war in an attempt to win another election. How many people had to die for her ambitions. Probably not as much as Blair's but either way she was a complete stooge to the establishment.
So a classic example of the Ancient Rome tactics of stirring up a big commotion elsewhere to draw people's attention from troubles at home? From what I've read on modern history, it did the trick, as she did get reelected. Well at least the first reelection (her 2nd term) is said to have been the result mostly of the Falklands victory.

steveyk wrote:Did you know that the Conservatives have spent more money that the last 3 government combined? I think they know an inevitable collapse is coming so they are spending like mad because it doesn't matter. This is also evident when you look at other commonwealth countries like Australia who are also spending money like it's going out of fashion.
Maybe I should have clarified, the image I mentioned of upholding is that in front of other nations, not an image in front of Britain's own population. Think of it as the economic version of North Korea's military showing-offs - way more subtle of course, but a public display of power all the same. And of course the locals ain't gonna fall for it, and neither will the international superpowers (US, Russia, China, etc), but some potential trouble-makers just might.

Also I'd think that spending money simply for the sake of spending it is a great way to ensure a decisive loss at the next elections... And a career politician not wanting to be reelected is somewhat of an oxymoron. Then again, I do not pretend to even attempt to understand financial policies on national level.
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Post by steveyk Tue Apr 16, 2013 10:50 am

Well in all honesty that would be true on an economic front if we indeed had a clear choice between parties to kick out globalist agenda ideology which is clearly linked to this current economic crisis we find ourselves in. But unfortunately there isn't, all parties obviously support the idea of globalisation, even UKIP have shown their hand when Nigel Farage started having meetings with Rupert Murdoch of all people. They might take us out of the EU and form closer ties to the commonwealth but in essence it's still a global agenda. There is no way to vote ourselves out of this and I hold little faith in the people forming a new party to combat it. It's good to see BRICS nations taking a stand against these things but even they have not created their own central bank yet which means they are reliant on our economics still. It's a shitty world but hey we have to deal with it in our own way. Sometimes ignorance is better than knowing the reality.

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Post by Colme Fri Apr 19, 2013 10:20 pm

Globalization /=/ Trade Liberalization

Also, I'm certainly not a Margaret Thatcher fan, but she deserves some respect for leading the UK and getting as far as she did when even today women are still quite marginalized in politics.
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Post by steveyk Sat Apr 20, 2013 4:34 am

"Globalization /=/ Trade Liberalization" Not sure if you want me to understand you here. Can I get the English version haha

I'm fine with recognising that she was the first woman prime minister. That's all though.

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Post by BK-201 Sat Apr 20, 2013 11:57 am

steveyk wrote:"Globalization /=/ Trade Liberalization" Not sure if you want me to understand you here. Can I get the English version haha

I'm fine with recognising that she was the first woman prime minister. That's all though.

I agree!
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Post by sayWut Wed Jul 10, 2013 7:12 am

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